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I appreciate a lot the conversation in this interview about how kids don't even necessarily know that they are experiencing trauma -- and that it can emerge suddenly without them even knowing it's in there.

It's given me more space to reflect on traumatic experiences I had in traditional (abusive programming) schooling and how long it's taken me in my life to be able to recognize how traumatic that really was for me -- and for others around me. Me, my peers, my parents. Even the teachers.

AND -- "reward is the same as the punishment"! YES!! Brilliantly said. Thank you Sarah Beale.

Delighted to be having so many great conversations here on this platform and elsewhere about how it can be different for our children and generations going forward.

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