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The Starfire Codes's avatar

Out of everyone commenting, only two have shown any sort of disrespect, which serves to prove another point: Everyone on Substack is so awesome that anonymity is NOT required here. WOW.

Thank you, everyone, for making this place AMAZING.

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I don't think that the male/female divide is the only issue in which anonymity makes a difference. I think there are dozens of ways in which we react to people based upon their percieved status.

Suppose there was an argument going on between 'Tiger' and 'Lion'... ie two anonymous internet aliases. And Tiger and Lion were going back and forth about some issue of politics. I suggest that that entire conversation would look very different, to the participants and to the audience (who were all chipping in) if instead of 'Tiger and Lion' the participants had been known as "Ben Shapiro and Robert Reich' or 'Joe Biden and Donald Trump' or even 'Robert Redford and Tom Hanks' etc etc.

We have all been trained (and I would argue properly trained) from infancy to treat different people differently. We can say 'give me that toy!' to a friend we were playing with... but not our mother. At least, not without consequences :)

And it works both ways. Seriously both ways. Females who are known and females (and celebrities, etc) expect you to act differently.. and act differently.

As far as the use of 'Sir' I would suggest that it isn't as significant as it seems. The English language lacks a neutral equivalent. It is not nearly as gendered as French (and don't get me started on German) but if anyone were to take a fiction book and try to rewrite it to make it completley gender anonymous they would find, for most stories, that the end result would be ugly, almost unreadable, English. And in French or German... impossible. You cannot say 'The' in either language without gender, or 'red', or 'little'.

As we discussed before, I think it would be fascinating to try to work up a list of 'clues' for female vs male speech (average! speech). And to run an experiment where people look at a long form discussion and try to guess the gender of the participants after removing all overt clues. (And not one where we have fudged it by including people who are non-traditional).

Thanks for the mention :)

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